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【非難殺到】炎上中のホステスについて、ママの見解は?

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Piercing is actually not accepted in Ginza There is something you can and cannot say what kind of hostess is she from your perspective I am the woman of Ginza Nanae Mama office Nanae Mama (Age 49) The owner of the Nanae club/being the industry for 29 years

Taking a break from Omusako Rice Why are you reading the comments on YouTube? I heard there’s a backlash so I was checking it Do you normally read comments? Yes. Maybe not the moment it got released but I check them within few days after Which one are you looking at?

The most recent one Ah! The one for Ms. Kyoko Released 2023/12/26 I am Kashima Kyoko How old are you? I am 25 Oh, you are young. I don’t know if it’s the kimono or not but you look much more mature I get told that a lot

You have unique way of talking Really?? The episode that featured her was commented as

“This is what we say you can tell what kind of person they are by their face” “So conniving! Why she laughing when she got called out” “I cannot get over her wearing piercing” “The fact that newly join hostess can be No.1 indicates how bad the rest of people are”

You want to take this chance and say something? Ah! Can I? Lots of comments from audiences Nanae Mama is replying by herself Let’s start with this one first we got 240 comments

“Can’t believe she is laughing at her own mistakes…is that how Ginza hostess should be like? I wonder how the customer would think after watching this video” Maybe it’s like her habit but she always laugh in the middle of her sentence I am No.1

And I think most of her customers know that’s just how she talks so I don’t think they will be mad at this Like her Kakari Kakari Hostesses that are in charge of customers. It’s a milestone in their career. Hostesses will finally get recognized once they become Kakari

She always laugh between her sentence right?I think her customers understand it’s her habit and will understand. “Thank you so much for your valuable feedback. I think her customers understand that’s just how she laughs so they won’t get mad” As a Mama and her boss, what do you think of her laugh?

Hmm, it’s her habit. Of course I don’t think it’s nice that she laughed when she was talking about something she did wrong… Her laugh is more like Ohohohoho and maybe that’s why it’s a little annoying?

I think maybe she is trying to be elegant so she can fit into the role of Ginza and the pride of being No.1 more “ It’s more like her mouth than they way she talks”

Ah! Maybe it’s because duck shaped mouths (figuratively indicating to move the mouth wider and flatter) were trending among young people? Don’t you think at some point, lots of people try to make their mouths look like duck’s?

I think she is one of that generation right? She is 25. so maybe that’s how she learned it “Her mouth tells the character on her” Is it bad? Hmm, it might be true that the impression of smart people such as lawyers and doctors won’t move their mouth like that

So you think the duck mouth is not very a Ginza hostess thing? Yea.. maybe not. Some do it but they are HELP hostess but I don’t see Mamas doing that. I will be surprised if I see one But one thing I already asked Kurofuku to remind her is the piercing.

You can’t do that in Ginza “Piercing and necklace??? While wearing a Kimono???” “I cannot get over her wearing piercing” “That’s not the way one would wear a kimono in Ginza. Her color is open and she has piercings on. Why didn’t someone remind her before shooting”

Maybe it’s old fashioned but you are not supposed to wear any accessories while wearing a kimono. I once, very early in my career, wore a pearl one and my Mama at that time told me not to wear it even though it was pearl.

Pearl is very Japanese. One can wear it in all business attire including funeral and wedding That’s how learned No one really wears a kimono before they come to Ginza other than the adulting day so they might not know the manners.

But I think I told someone that her piercing is not ok so I reminded her and they were like I reminded her already but she said that it’s changing! Now we do this And I was like hmmm is it because I am old-fashioned?

Because I do see someone models will try to do an innovative way at shows by wearing one but I was told that way and we should protect the tradition so I told them to remind her again but I think I need say it directly to her now

But doing SNS and YouTube is also not common and you got criticized a lot by that but you still wanted to try something new right Just following this logic, piercing with a Kimono is the same way?

But I feel like we were taking steps. It used to be that nothing is ok even if it’s pearls but now we are maybe accepting pearls with kimonos?

“I don’t know why this person can be No.1. If I were to use money there, I would have picked someone pretty or someone more mature like Ms. Misato” Why did Ms. Kyoko get to be No.1? What’s your thoughts?

Hmm, for example I am more dependent on numbers than just one customer that will spend a lot on me every month. So it’s more like I will have 5 customers over and they will each order one champagne. That’s my way.

But I realized after I own my club that those who are No.1 do not follow that pattern. It was more like the customer will be I want you to be No.1 so I will use a lot on you.

And lots of them have some customers like that.I only realized that until I became an owner of the club. Ms. Kyoko has some customers but it’s definitely not a lot But she was able to become No.1 because she has someone support her like that Let’s put a smile face

I wanna an emoji here “I understand that it’s better for Kurofuku to get yelled at than a hostess in this industry but shouldn’t she apologize to Kurofuku afterwards?”

She is. Kurofuku is like a promoter figure. And it’s ok for them to take the responsibility because they have their own relationship built there Maybe she could have put it nicely but this whole thing also stand out Mr. Hiraide as a great Kurofuko right

Mr. Hiraide is something. He is the type of person that can make mistakes for others and Kyoko used that. It’s like now Kyoko owns Hiraide one

Yea, let’s say customer wants to be mad at Kurofuku right but they will remember that last time they made Mr. Hiraide take the responsibility so they won’t do that anymore “I can tell Ms.Kyoko’s passion! And I like both your dresses and Kimono! I support you!”

“I think at the end of the day, it is women like Ms. Misato that customer would want to support. I feel like this girl is doing the opposite of lose and gain. She is just focusing on the profits at the moment. Maybe that’s why she can be No.1 in such a short time. By the way, this channel is so interesting for showing us that much detail. I feel like this is more ‘Monitoring” than the actual show in terms of examining human behavior”

I think this is referring the remark Ms. Misato said we shouldn’t chase money and this is how Kyoko is doing that. But like I said those are the relationship between the customer and hostesses. And some customers like it.

Some of them are maybe just M. We would have customers that tell us not to tell the hostess I am leaving because the hostess didn’t sit with me as much today.

And the next time they come to the club, you would think the hostess will apologize but she will be like you left without telling me so I will order a fancy wine as your punishment So like a very S character hostess

And the customer will be like sure my princess just gets whatever you want. We will all be very shocked. And she will be like “Ok! I will take it”

Those interactions occur sometimes and I think it’s only possible because the hostess knows what the customer wants. And the customer actually like hostesses act that we. We have a lot of customer like that. Shall we move to the next one? Ah! There’s one more

Released 2024/01/05 Commenting on the second half of the series Oh! Someone liked my comments She talks in a very calm way, which might be favorite of guys It’s very different between the type of woman woman will like and man will like

Especially, she is very unique so someone might really like her “People who can work won’t say stuff like we don’t need people who can’t work!!” Can we have water please!!! I don’t like people who can’t work

Mr. Sato, do you mind switch Ms.XX with someone else since she doesn’t know how to do work We don’t need people who can’t work There’s something should just be kept in

“Maybe the HELP didn’t make drinks because she didn’t want to sit with them. If she knows how to do it then why didn’t she teach her” I don’t think people will actually think that much just to avoid that Two hours have past since we started to do this

By the way, what kind of hostess is she from your perspective She didn’t pass our interview for one or two times I think I didn’t pass the interview twice for this club

The first time was like a year and half ago and I tried again half year ago which still didn’t work and I passed on the third time I didn’t know you can fail the interview Yea I was very salty about that

She said she would be happy to be on the YouTube and she said she is just so happy to work here too so I got the impression that she is very bright and positive She likes Nanae a lot She knows what she wants and she is working very hard for it.

That’s how she got where she is today. You can only be a Mama if you work hard enough but she hasn’t been working at Ginza for that much so we should teach her the essence of Ginza including how to treat customers

I feel like people who are more experienced should teach her that and hopefully she is humble enough to accept it and that way I think she can keep her rank and be a better hostess

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34 comments

@xhelyruo--8767 January 23, 2024 - 8:28 am

京子さん、初見の時はあまり自分のタイプではないと思ったのに
見て、見て、沢山見たら、独特な可愛さがどんどん溢れてきたとは…

@shosaito0923 January 23, 2024 - 2:55 pm

難しい時代だよ…
ダメって教えて古いとかパワハラとか言われんだから…
ななえママも令和の虎とか出ながら苦労してるな…

@user-sq8rf5qu3g January 24, 2024 - 12:33 pm

アヒル口って口角が下がってる子がムリしてあげてるから口周りに独特なシワできてて老けてみえるんだよねぇ

@user-td3jf5lr5m January 24, 2024 - 12:41 pm

私も、今の時代だから、ピアスをしてもいいとおもいません。私は、50歳になりますが、なんでも、笑っていいとはかぎりません。
すいませんが、あいうタイプの娘がいると頭をたたきたきなってきます。もっと、自分自身をとおしして
若い吸収出来るときに、勉強してほしいと思います。
いいお客様はつかないとおもいます。

@JWG3110 January 24, 2024 - 1:06 pm

私は京子さん好きです。人間、ちゃんと怒ることも必要よ。気が弱くてやっていける街ではないでしょうし、これから大人になって洗練されればすごく良いホステスになるのではないでしょうか。面接で落とされてもめげずに3度目で受かったというエピソードも逞しい。私は彼女よりだいぶ歳上ですが、悔しさをバネできる強さは見習いたいと思えましたよ。

@seina6891 January 24, 2024 - 5:44 pm

銀座と令和のコラボって難しそうですねぇ🤣

@uniquepiece3932 January 24, 2024 - 10:52 pm

美里ママのようにお金を追っては駄目はまさしく、長く繋がる為の事なんだと思いました。 
若いからとお金を使ってくれたり、ある意味も含め若さの代価として今は使ってもらえますが、年齢を重ねた時に繋がっているお客さんはそれ相応の器がないと美里ママのように。
以前、面接で落ちたのも納得。
今回、雇用されたが吉と凶どっちかになるか。

@user-gm6wb5jo5s January 25, 2024 - 8:27 am

わー、私のお店でみんなに腫れ物扱いされてたNO.1と京子さん、よく似てます😢
つけ上がりすぎて最後の方には「ボーイの給料は私の売上から出てるんだよ言うこと聞けよ」って言ってました
みんなに呆れられて居心地が悪くなったのか系列店に移動しましたが…
組数は少ないけど売上でNO.1取ってたのもそうだしMのお客様がほとんどでした
不思議だ……

@suitaonaka5453 January 25, 2024 - 2:24 pm

『動けない子はいらない』

すごいですよねえ、みんなの協力かあって短期間でトップになれたのよ?
あなたひとりではできないことよ?

なにか勘違いしてるようだね☺️きょうこさん?あはははははは←あなたのまね

まず鏡みてそのひん曲がった口元みてごらん?
性格をなおしましょうね、勘違いさん☺️

悪口いって大笑いするようなスタッフに対してもっと教育しないと。

なんでも笑って返すのは時には怒りをかいますよ、大クレーム入りそう

第一銀座、このお店の品格ダダ下がり。

動画、お客さんもみてますよ!

@user-db7kf9mf6j January 25, 2024 - 10:15 pm

ただの自我が強すぎる女の人にしか見えず、魅力を感じません。
日本伝統のお着物の作法、ましてや銀座。そこは素直に受け入れたらどうですか?と思います。
ななえママやマネージャーの事が好きでチャンネルを拝見させて頂いていましたが、何故かこの方が出てくると不快でした。見た目と違い、まだ若いということもあると思うので、これから色々と感じ取っていけると良いですね😊

@user-sx6lz5de6c January 26, 2024 - 1:01 am

銀座に着物ピアスとゆうよりは、銀座に限らず訪問着以上の格にピアスは御法度です。
銀座でしたらおそらく訪問着以上しか着てはいけないでしょうから、結果銀座で着物=ピアスNGになりますが。
着物にピアスは着崩しに該当しますがそれをしていいのは小紋ぐらいでしょう。
京子さん、例えるなら、結婚式にロングドレスに草履を履いて出席している様なものです。
着物にも、格式がありTPOがあるのです。
ママもそこからちゃんと教えてあげるべきです。

@405_jp January 26, 2024 - 2:44 pm

現代の普段着物界隈では確かにピアスやイヤリングその他アクセサリー等をしてお洒落な着物の着こなしをしてる方も大勢いらっしゃいますが銀座のクラブで接客するような格の着物ではゆらゆら揺れるピアスは着物姿が下品に見えてしまうのだなと感じました💦素敵なお着物と京子さんのお顔より耳の装飾品の方が悪目立ちしてる気がします。もったいないです~~~

@user-sp3ye8kc3c January 27, 2024 - 2:23 pm

てか、笑い方とかピアスとか気になるなら、本人に直接言えばいいよね。
いくら視聴者が叩こうが、結局好き嫌いでしかない。実際、1位取って結果出してるんだから、動画だけじゃ、その人の本当の良さなんて見えないよ。ただの妬み。

仮に京子さんが性格的に問題があったとしても、わざわざアンチコメばかり拾って叩かせるように仕向けるって店としてどうなの😅
女の子を守る立場じゃないの?そんなんだから辞める人多いんだなって思いました。
現状、居づらくさせて蹴落とそうとしてるようにしか見えない。

@amandah7950 January 28, 2024 - 1:58 am

ちゃんと女の子たち一人一人の事をよく見ている事が伝わります、理想の上司だしこういう人の下で働きたい。

@msikko-tokyo8038 January 28, 2024 - 2:35 pm

あー、着物でピアスは普通見ないかな〜
若い子なのかな?

@sportsdecentralized5334 February 2, 2024 - 6:56 am

ママが一番首がきれい。

@user-gt1oi9ly8e February 2, 2024 - 9:01 am

お着物に関しては柄そのものがアクセサリーかと思います。絵付や刺繍で職人さんの技が入ってる訳で…。
大きな髪飾り付いてるだけで十分かと✨️
デザインの専門学校で習った事ですが一点豪華主義、見せたい部分は1つだけ!って。
いっぱい付けるとごちゃごちゃして見せたい所が霞んじゃうかもしれませんね💦
でもわかりますよ、若い頃はとにかく色々派手にしたくなるもの😊
注意してくれる人がいるって有難い事ですよね✨️そうやって伝統やマナーて受け継がれていくんだと思います😊

@RN-bb2vm February 4, 2024 - 7:02 pm

25!?😮

@user-vi1jn5ul4o February 8, 2024 - 11:58 am

着物が着崩れしたままインタビューを受けたのかな?かなり前に見たインタビュー画像でしたが、改めて、綺麗な方なので品性なく見えてしまいました。
後、笑い声をテキトーに入れるのも、何か違和感。品性や知性や勉強してない努力に欠けてるような。。

ホストさんもホステスさんも、知識ありきで、でもお客さんに対してどの程度出したが良いかを計算されているから、お金を使いたいと思うと思います。

それが長くお店を贔屓にする理由になると思うし。

お金使ってもこちらが提供する分が多いと考えたら、さっくりきっちゃうと思います。

若い子より、ある程度、年齢重ねても、話せて楽しい方が結局は良いですよね‼️

@user-tb4ny4pn3i February 8, 2024 - 3:47 pm

みさとさんのファンです。銀座なのに、キャバクラみたいに、大きな口あけて、手をたたくホステスいやだなー。

@user-lc8nx4fz6v February 9, 2024 - 4:23 am

いくらヘルプがダメだったとしても、お客様の前で一方的に叱るのはキツい
ヘルプが逆に彼女のところに行きたく無いとなっては本末転倒
ヘルプが彼女の為に頑張るモチベーションを持たせてこそ銀座ホステスとしての格なんじゃないでしょうか
ママや美里さんの為に頑張るホステスさん見ているとそう思う

@user-nd8hl4ip8s February 9, 2024 - 8:33 am

着物のマナーについて無知ではあるのですが、和服にピアス‥違和感を感じました。「時代」ってあるのかもしれないけれど、ママの教育がなってない、と思われるのも言われるのも嫌なので、私なら素直に即刻ピアス外しちゃうかな🙄

@user-qq1le8pt7w February 9, 2024 - 10:11 am

女性だけど、京子ちゃんと飲んでみたいな。25.6才の頃の自分と比べたら根性あって数字作れてる時点で凄いと感じました。誹謗中傷もすごい時代ですね。この年で色々完璧になんて無理よね。周りの大人が軌道修正してあげれたらもっと良くなると思います。頑張ってください。😊

@user-sr4cw1wn4m February 12, 2024 - 7:15 am

パールでもだめなんだ…?
雑誌とかではパールのピアス、ダイヤの指輪、榛原の小さめバッグを着物に合わせて、気崩してるのではなく上品にコーディネートしてるけど
あくまで銀座ではって話ですか、、?

@user-dt2yg2sn7d February 12, 2024 - 8:30 am

基本、口デカは、キライです。

@user-dt2yg2sn7d February 12, 2024 - 8:35 am

口紅💄💋✨濃いのもいや。男がほしいと判断される

@user-pw7uy1cd7w February 12, 2024 - 11:35 am

なぜ京子さんがNo.1になれたのかは、お客さんの質が下がってるからじゃないすか?キャバクラ、ホストの延長みたいな。

@hirohiro5917 February 12, 2024 - 1:56 pm

ママは優しいですょね。アヒル口はひんのない人ですょね。
十代ならいいですょ、銀座で働くつもりなら、笑い方やあひるぐち、銀座流に合わせるために意識して直していかないと。

銀座で長く働いているママさんや他のホステス様に失礼だと思います。

銀座の仕来たりとか伝統かあるのだから、銀座で働くなら銀座でのマナーが有るのだから

イヤリングも着物に対して付けるものではないと思いますが、いつの時代でも品格が無さすぎ、みてて恥ずかしいです。

指摘された事が嫌だったら銀座の街の店で働かなければいいし、他所ではたらけばいい。

他のホステスさんも品がなくみられてしまうのが悲しいです。

今ままで、菜々江ママやマネージャーがどれだけ頑張ってきたと思っているのか、
25才の貴女にはわからないですょね、
さびしいです。

@hirohiro5917 February 12, 2024 - 2:02 pm

銀座で一番になりたいのなら、銀座の礼儀を全部自分の物にしてから、それから銀座にきてほしいです。

@hirohiro5917 February 12, 2024 - 2:08 pm

ママは古くないですょ。
銀座の仕来たり銀座での伝統を守りつつ銀座をつらぬいてほしい。ちょっと変えるとルールやマナーがなくなってしまう気がする。

@sango746 February 14, 2024 - 12:56 am

口元がだらしない。
笑い方が無理。

@user-ro2bw7yn4j February 14, 2024 - 8:14 am

今はどかーンと使うお客様って、キャバ的なお客様が多いのかなぁ?

@OINOMIKADO_YASUKO February 14, 2024 - 4:55 pm

さすがね。あんなホステスに対しても冷静な分析をされてらっしゃる。

@user-zg3zk9li5n February 17, 2024 - 1:33 pm

京子さん大好きなのでまた密着してほしいです😢

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